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		<title>By: Deborah Barlow</title>
		<link>http://slowmuse.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/gender-blues/#comment-1688</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!! Elatia, you rock girl! You lifted my spirits at least 30 points.</description>
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		<title>By: Elatia Harris</title>
		<link>http://slowmuse.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/gender-blues/#comment-1686</link>
		<dc:creator>Elatia Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this is fun.  I&#039;ve been trying to stay out of the Palin thing -- I like my blood pressure low -- but as long as it&#039;s just ourselves...

To take an anthropological perspective, much of the power Palin seems to revel in these days comes directly from her all too evident fecundity. She has the raw female power of a bitch nursing a litter, and even a man walking in on that must defer. Her turfy snarl, her greasy-looking copious beehived hair, her image in photos -- streaming with the grume of elk and the blood of fish -- her frank baring of gender characteristics like legs, her confidence in proceeding to whatever&#039;s next on instinct alone, her clannish interpretation of dominance and its perks -- all this is very animal, canine/ursine type. It&#039;s threatening, and it&#039;s getting to people in ways they can&#039;t articulate, and subduing them and forcing them to make nice.

Test: if not for her too-many children, how would Sarah Palin be coming off? An ambitious Alaskan know-nothing? Just another eschatological terrorist, only Christian? A bad hair book burner? A petro-swillng pork-loving anti-environmentalist? A triple threat to the rights of women and girls? She needs those kids, from the ill-aspected pregnant teenager to the infant at a perpetual disadvantage -- signal: she is bountiful, she is provident, she can afford these non-earners. Yes, she has turned Hillary from nag to sybil, a very guardian of civilization. The lies and corruption that so distressed some about Hillary now look like the slightest of abuses. But Hillary was a mother only once, and the female face of power, since before Roman times, is more compelling when truly fecund.  &quot;Faustina-Empress-Fecund,&quot; it says on one side of a coin of the realm of Trajan.

Ever since I heard Palin&#039;s speech, the hairs on the back of my neck have been standing up.  I don&#039;t have to think about her.  All I need to do is to seek to remove her by any means necessary. Her feral presence is a wolf at the door, heralding a long, long night. It&#039;s not enough for her to lose, not even remotely enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is fun.  I&#8217;ve been trying to stay out of the Palin thing &#8212; I like my blood pressure low &#8212; but as long as it&#8217;s just ourselves&#8230;</p>
<p>To take an anthropological perspective, much of the power Palin seems to revel in these days comes directly from her all too evident fecundity. She has the raw female power of a bitch nursing a litter, and even a man walking in on that must defer. Her turfy snarl, her greasy-looking copious beehived hair, her image in photos &#8212; streaming with the grume of elk and the blood of fish &#8212; her frank baring of gender characteristics like legs, her confidence in proceeding to whatever&#8217;s next on instinct alone, her clannish interpretation of dominance and its perks &#8212; all this is very animal, canine/ursine type. It&#8217;s threatening, and it&#8217;s getting to people in ways they can&#8217;t articulate, and subduing them and forcing them to make nice.</p>
<p>Test: if not for her too-many children, how would Sarah Palin be coming off? An ambitious Alaskan know-nothing? Just another eschatological terrorist, only Christian? A bad hair book burner? A petro-swillng pork-loving anti-environmentalist? A triple threat to the rights of women and girls? She needs those kids, from the ill-aspected pregnant teenager to the infant at a perpetual disadvantage &#8212; signal: she is bountiful, she is provident, she can afford these non-earners. Yes, she has turned Hillary from nag to sybil, a very guardian of civilization. The lies and corruption that so distressed some about Hillary now look like the slightest of abuses. But Hillary was a mother only once, and the female face of power, since before Roman times, is more compelling when truly fecund.  &#8220;Faustina-Empress-Fecund,&#8221; it says on one side of a coin of the realm of Trajan.</p>
<p>Ever since I heard Palin&#8217;s speech, the hairs on the back of my neck have been standing up.  I don&#8217;t have to think about her.  All I need to do is to seek to remove her by any means necessary. Her feral presence is a wolf at the door, heralding a long, long night. It&#8217;s not enough for her to lose, not even remotely enough.</p>
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		<title>By: deanjbaker</title>
		<link>http://slowmuse.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/gender-blues/#comment-1685</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to see this - always looking forward to more</description>
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		<title>By: Deborah Barlow</title>
		<link>http://slowmuse.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/gender-blues/#comment-1683</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QS, the fact that you can make me laugh at the end of the day--brightly colored pants suits are definitely not presidential!--says it all. Thank you for engaging in this with me. I actually feel less pissed. And that is the first lift I&#039;ve been able to feel since all this happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QS, the fact that you can make me laugh at the end of the day&#8211;brightly colored pants suits are definitely not presidential!&#8211;says it all. Thank you for engaging in this with me. I actually feel less pissed. And that is the first lift I&#8217;ve been able to feel since all this happened.</p>
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		<title>By: The Querulous Squirrel</title>
		<link>http://slowmuse.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/gender-blues/#comment-1682</link>
		<dc:creator>The Querulous Squirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooooh! You are pissed. I&#039;m not messing with you!

But, really, we all perceive all of this from our own life experiences. Everything you are saying is very true. I think I&#039;ve just developed the ability over time to ignore idiots...I mean commentators and their ridiculous comments. I haven&#039;t been aware of Palin getting a pass maybe because I tuned out the second McCain made that move the day after Obama&#039;s incredible speech. So, I&#039;ve heard none of the Palin rhetoric and don&#039;t want to. I also have a thing about tuning out religious fanatics in general, being up to my neck in Middle East politics for various reasons.  I know who I&#039;m voting for. I don&#039;t want to waste my energy. I wasted a great deal of energy on Hilary. I can see how Hilary would be threatening to men and sound like a nagging wife. I once called a cop who said that about me. I was only 30! But I know for a fact that such guys are miserable people. 

Hilary will always be a sore point for women on both sides of the fence. I know my old feminist establishment friends were enraged with my comments about Robin Morgan&#039;s rant. It&#039;s fascinating how strongly each side feels about this issue. I mean, Hilary may have been called a nag, but Obama was called a Muslim.. as if that were an insult. That bothers me much more.

Well, I love you anyway. And frankly, the only thing I objected to about Hilary were those brightly colored pants suits. Definitely NOT presidential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooh! You are pissed. I&#8217;m not messing with you!</p>
<p>But, really, we all perceive all of this from our own life experiences. Everything you are saying is very true. I think I&#8217;ve just developed the ability over time to ignore idiots&#8230;I mean commentators and their ridiculous comments. I haven&#8217;t been aware of Palin getting a pass maybe because I tuned out the second McCain made that move the day after Obama&#8217;s incredible speech. So, I&#8217;ve heard none of the Palin rhetoric and don&#8217;t want to. I also have a thing about tuning out religious fanatics in general, being up to my neck in Middle East politics for various reasons.  I know who I&#8217;m voting for. I don&#8217;t want to waste my energy. I wasted a great deal of energy on Hilary. I can see how Hilary would be threatening to men and sound like a nagging wife. I once called a cop who said that about me. I was only 30! But I know for a fact that such guys are miserable people. </p>
<p>Hilary will always be a sore point for women on both sides of the fence. I know my old feminist establishment friends were enraged with my comments about Robin Morgan&#8217;s rant. It&#8217;s fascinating how strongly each side feels about this issue. I mean, Hilary may have been called a nag, but Obama was called a Muslim.. as if that were an insult. That bothers me much more.</p>
<p>Well, I love you anyway. And frankly, the only thing I objected to about Hilary were those brightly colored pants suits. Definitely NOT presidential.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Barlow</title>
		<link>http://slowmuse.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/gender-blues/#comment-1681</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sexism AND politics. Perhaps I&#039;m naive, but I have watched the sexual dynamics play out with the way these two women are perceived with such blatantly different results. 

Hillary is middle-aged. Several commentators said her tone of voice reminded them of a nagging wife. (I want to scream when I think about this even now.) Her ambition and intelligence were used against her repeatedly. She was threatening to many men. I don&#039;t understand this, but it was clearly the case.

Then along comes Ms. Palin. She&#039;s very sexy, confident and ambitious. As one commentator wisely pointed out, her leadership style is closer to Bush&#039;s than anyone else&#039;s--agree with me or you&#039;ll be punished, my way or no way, loyalty to me first, God told me to do this, shooting from the hip...But her physical appearance has resulted in her being treated very differently than Hillary. She gets a pass where other women, many of them so much more competent and intelligent, have not. It just pisses me off. I know, I know, I know, who said life is fair? But I am still PISSED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sexism AND politics. Perhaps I&#8217;m naive, but I have watched the sexual dynamics play out with the way these two women are perceived with such blatantly different results. </p>
<p>Hillary is middle-aged. Several commentators said her tone of voice reminded them of a nagging wife. (I want to scream when I think about this even now.) Her ambition and intelligence were used against her repeatedly. She was threatening to many men. I don&#8217;t understand this, but it was clearly the case.</p>
<p>Then along comes Ms. Palin. She&#8217;s very sexy, confident and ambitious. As one commentator wisely pointed out, her leadership style is closer to Bush&#8217;s than anyone else&#8217;s&#8211;agree with me or you&#8217;ll be punished, my way or no way, loyalty to me first, God told me to do this, shooting from the hip&#8230;But her physical appearance has resulted in her being treated very differently than Hillary. She gets a pass where other women, many of them so much more competent and intelligent, have not. It just pisses me off. I know, I know, I know, who said life is fair? But I am still PISSED.</p>
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		<title>By: The Querulous Squirrel</title>
		<link>http://slowmuse.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/gender-blues/#comment-1680</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Hilary, I saw the use of sexism as a tactic. In fact, she perfectly fit the stereotype of a woman riding in her husband&#039;s coattails, including her years as his spouse in the White House as part of her political experience. I did not agree with feminists who viewed her as victimized. I&#039;ve worked with too many powerful women in my time who had zero to do with feminism until it suited their careers. She&#039;s one. Too many feminists sided with her simply because she was female. I voted based on quality, not gender. Reverse sexism is still sexism.

Also, there was plenty of fuss about Obama being black, he just played it down because that would only hurt him politically.

As for Sarah: now that one is painful, clearly cynical, scary, clearly meant to one-up Obama not choosing Hilary. clearly chosen for all the wrong reasons: only because she&#039;s female, a mother of five, an evangelical Christian. If she is ever president, which is highly likely if McCain wins, the Bush years will seem wonderful. The choice just shows what a sick, sick country we are and I too have felt sick and have stopped reading the news completely.  But I hate to say this but I truly believe the feminist fuss over Hilary and claims to vote for McCain made this an inevitable countermove. I don&#039;t think any of this is about sexism. It&#039;s about politics as usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Hilary, I saw the use of sexism as a tactic. In fact, she perfectly fit the stereotype of a woman riding in her husband&#8217;s coattails, including her years as his spouse in the White House as part of her political experience. I did not agree with feminists who viewed her as victimized. I&#8217;ve worked with too many powerful women in my time who had zero to do with feminism until it suited their careers. She&#8217;s one. Too many feminists sided with her simply because she was female. I voted based on quality, not gender. Reverse sexism is still sexism.</p>
<p>Also, there was plenty of fuss about Obama being black, he just played it down because that would only hurt him politically.</p>
<p>As for Sarah: now that one is painful, clearly cynical, scary, clearly meant to one-up Obama not choosing Hilary. clearly chosen for all the wrong reasons: only because she&#8217;s female, a mother of five, an evangelical Christian. If she is ever president, which is highly likely if McCain wins, the Bush years will seem wonderful. The choice just shows what a sick, sick country we are and I too have felt sick and have stopped reading the news completely.  But I hate to say this but I truly believe the feminist fuss over Hilary and claims to vote for McCain made this an inevitable countermove. I don&#8217;t think any of this is about sexism. It&#8217;s about politics as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Barlow</title>
		<link>http://slowmuse.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/gender-blues/#comment-1677</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GS, my point of view for some time as been in line with everything you have written here. However, witnessing the recent public discourse and response to two American politicians, Hillary and Sarah Palin, has been a very sobering, extremely painful and personally upsetting experience for me. It has been so disruptive to my consciousness that I have had to pull back from my usual ravenous political reading. I cannot believe what has happened, how differently these two women have been viewed, evaluated, responded to. The gender issues that I have hoped would have settled down after so many years are still unresolved. How do you explain what has happened in the last two weeks? I feel under siege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GS, my point of view for some time as been in line with everything you have written here. However, witnessing the recent public discourse and response to two American politicians, Hillary and Sarah Palin, has been a very sobering, extremely painful and personally upsetting experience for me. It has been so disruptive to my consciousness that I have had to pull back from my usual ravenous political reading. I cannot believe what has happened, how differently these two women have been viewed, evaluated, responded to. The gender issues that I have hoped would have settled down after so many years are still unresolved. How do you explain what has happened in the last two weeks? I feel under siege.</p>
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		<title>By: The Querulous Squirrel</title>
		<link>http://slowmuse.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/gender-blues/#comment-1676</link>
		<dc:creator>The Querulous Squirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an old fashioned feminist who never believed in biological sex differences except the obvious related to genitals and procreation/nursing. Well, until I had children and discovered I popped out of bed at the slightest noises while my husband snored through it all. But if I weren&#039;t a pop-up mom, I&#039;m convinced he would have had to be. Most of what we do that is &quot;gendered&quot; is fulfill our own and others&#039; expectations. Most sex difference research has been debunked over the years with the fact that : the similarities between the sexes far outweigh the differences, and even more interesting, the differences among human personalities far outweigh any miniscule sex differences. This is rarely mentioned in sex difference research. Also rarely mentioned is that the range of sex difference behavior always falls along an enormous spectrum and this spectrum does not change, just the minor fluctuations of where the mean falls on the spectrum among different groups.  To me, the most convincing has always been: sex differences are always tiny, personality differences are always huge, regardless of gender. I would have thought that sex difference research would have fallen off the map by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an old fashioned feminist who never believed in biological sex differences except the obvious related to genitals and procreation/nursing. Well, until I had children and discovered I popped out of bed at the slightest noises while my husband snored through it all. But if I weren&#8217;t a pop-up mom, I&#8217;m convinced he would have had to be. Most of what we do that is &#8220;gendered&#8221; is fulfill our own and others&#8217; expectations. Most sex difference research has been debunked over the years with the fact that : the similarities between the sexes far outweigh the differences, and even more interesting, the differences among human personalities far outweigh any miniscule sex differences. This is rarely mentioned in sex difference research. Also rarely mentioned is that the range of sex difference behavior always falls along an enormous spectrum and this spectrum does not change, just the minor fluctuations of where the mean falls on the spectrum among different groups.  To me, the most convincing has always been: sex differences are always tiny, personality differences are always huge, regardless of gender. I would have thought that sex difference research would have fallen off the map by now.</p>
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